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Re: For those who fell at Arrakesh

Postby overload74 » Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:42 pm

Sheyna,

We did not lose anyone in the final push to the circle.

I performed a similar sounding rite in the Viper camp following the strike on the Circle of Sin during the Akari wars a few years ago; a remembrance of over thirty fallen using a Teutonian relic. I could not lay to rest, but it did seem to work and they ended up where they should - possibly due to the gargantuan amount of power granted to me by the members of my nation, in excess of one hundred thaums.

As a side effect, I had the voices of the Ancestors chattering in my head for about an hour or so afterwards.

Happy to help with this.
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Re: For those who fell at Arrakesh

Postby Aija » Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:06 pm

Thank you Rath. It would be good to have all who were there attend. Though I understand many may bear bad feeling over events, this isn't about how and why, but getting those left behind back home. If you have ways of contacting the Wardens who were there, could you please pass on the message?
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Re: For those who fell at Arrakesh

Postby Ross Urswick » Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:15 am

The Harts stand with you in this testament to the fallen and to the strengh of the hartlands and southlands united.


If I or the Harts can be of any assistance beyond attending please let me know.

As the only other Hart present I would be willing to speak ofmy fallen countyman should this be the approach taken.

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Re: For those who fell at Arrakesh

Postby Dale Ex Machina » Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:17 am

I'll be there. I can't contribute, but I can pay my respects, and stand by to defend the rite if anything nasty shows up.

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Re: For those who fell at Arrakesh

Postby Agent_Orange » Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:24 am

It's worth noting for those who may be unaware, you do not need the ability to contribute to add power to a ritemaster. All you need is some form of power (any can be given) and the will to add it to the ritemaster when they ask.
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Re: For those who fell at Arrakesh

Postby Aija » Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:54 am

Thank you Brother Ross, it will be good to see you there. I shall shortly be asking for a list of names from each Faction of the fallen and who will speak for each, so that information would be greatfully recieved.
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Re: For those who fell at Arrakesh

Postby ravenfire » Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:57 pm

The Healers Guild will be there in force. If you require a second rite focus, both our iconics are available for use. Any other help that's needed, please let me know, and I'll do my best to source it.
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Re: For those who fell at Arrakesh

Postby Alrisha » Mon Apr 22, 2013 6:34 pm

Can I just have something stated for my own peace of mind?

No one is actually planning to attempt to wrest the patterns back from Unlife are they?
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Re: For those who fell at Arrakesh

Postby dodgybren » Mon Apr 22, 2013 6:49 pm

Alrisha wrote:Can I just have something stated for my own peace of mind?

No one is actually planning to attempt to wrest the patterns back from Unlife are they?


I haven't heard Mars bells ring in a while. Could be fun.
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Re: For those who fell at Arrakesh

Postby dessie » Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:18 pm

Not since Craiginish last year, when Cornelius burst his vault, I believe.
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Re: For those who fell at Arrakesh

Postby Zackari » Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:35 pm

dodgybren wrote:I haven't heard Mars bells ring in a while. Could be fun.


Indeed it will. I of course will be watching this rite, from approximately 31 feet away.

I thought we learned our lesson the last time when someone opened the gate through to the planes of unlife to save that person. The griffon's wasn't it?

As someone who doesn't understand the planes all that well, but understands basic maths I have come to this equation.

Rite + Planes of unlife = Bad Things + Death Knights
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Re: For those who fell at Arrakesh

Postby Aija » Tue Apr 23, 2013 12:27 am

As a question, lay to rest overrides most necromantic effects, including the effect of a wasting under normal circumstances, so long as you have a body?

I know Maars bells, and what causes them. I also have no intention whatsoever of opening a link to the planes of Unlife. My intention here was always to remind Erdreja and the Ancestors these patterns are out there, and provide the appropriate Ancestors enough power that a lay to rest would reach them, regardless of where they were.

If someone here tells me that to get someone back from the Planes of Unlife requires something different, then some additional thinking may be needed. But summoning specific patterns from that Plane isn't impossible. It gets done with alarming regularity, *and* without the need of a ritual circle...
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Re: For those who fell at Arrakesh

Postby andyk » Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:56 am

Sheyna,

Lay to Rest will override the pattern being sent to the Plane of Unlife as a result of dying under the Wasting effect. It needs doing before Dawn though to do so. The Harts did what Rath mentioned after the Circle of Sin debacle. Ours was essentially a Lay to Rest, and was done on the same day.

Am I right that the intention is to allow the ancestors to retrieve the patterns of those who died on the Sunday but whose bodies were not recovered by re-awakening Edreja's 'memory' of them?

I think that if the bodies were retrieved, the patterns should be wherever they would normally have gone - that should be testable by minor rite. My understanding is that a pattern on the Plane of Unlife is stuck there for an indeterminate time. However, one on the Plane of Unlife is in Edreja's cycle, and shouldn't need 'remembering' by Edreja.

My opinion is that the rite may be a pinprick in Edreja which provokes a shudder. That might do anything, so a recovery group at some distance - 50-100 ft at least - is probably wise. It might knock down everyone in 100 yards.

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Re: For those who fell at Arrakesh

Postby Bitter » Tue Apr 23, 2013 12:47 pm

Sheyna wrote:If someone here tells me that to get someone back from the Planes of Unlife requires something different, then some additional thinking may be needed.


To get someone back from the Planes of Unlife requires something different.

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Re: For those who fell at Arrakesh

Postby ravenfire » Tue Apr 23, 2013 1:18 pm

Sheyna wrote:If someone here tells me that to get someone back from the Planes of Unlife requires something different, then some additional thinking may be needed. But summoning specific patterns from that Plane isn't impossible. It gets done with alarming regularity, *and* without the need of a ritual circle...


To expand a little on what Vincenzo said (although frankly he probably knows more than me).

Summoning specific patterns from the Planes isn't impossible, no. However, it entirely depends on how they got there and how long they've been there. A dismissable creature, for example, when sent back to its native plane, needs to stay there and reform for X number of years before it can return to this one (the most recent value I was given for 'X' was 60, but that may depend on the power of the dismissed being). People sent to the planes of unlife by the affects of wasting or the corruption of their body, greater or otherwise, are then stuck there. I would guess that, similiar to dismissed beings, once they have been there for a certain amount of time they can be summoned back, but if that's the case it's not a short period.

I have on a single occasion, seen a pattern dragged from the planes of unlife and sent to its ancestor. That was Kerios, and it was done in a rite, performed by Heather Sparrow. She had the help of the Bastellus of...Torment, if I remember correctly, which was the reason the rite succeeded.

Any other attempt I've seen has either done nothing (when attempted by rite) or set off Mars Bells (by ritual).

This is something I researched heavily quite recently, so unless someone directly contradicts me with proof, then I'm sorry Sheyna; the rite isn't going to move them to their ancestors.
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